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001 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] MSC updates
002 "Mark Hardy" [mhardy at magna.com.au] Bundaberg rain
003 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Remember its daylight savings tonight
004 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] A wet October
005 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Lack of hot days in Melbourne
006 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Blackheath - Sydney Temp differences on Tues. night.
007 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Blackheath - Sydney Temp differences on Tues. night.
008 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] Movie file of that lightning strike!!
009 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Dry Winds and Allergy...
010 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] A wet October?
011 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Continuing lack of cold days in Melbourne
012 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au] A wet October?
013 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. 05B...
014 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au 05B...
015 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au] Hail, Gales, and a CG from Brisbane S'ly Storms
016 "Greg Curtis" [curtisg at ecn.net.au] Mackay Radar
017 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au] Mackay Radar
018 "Halden Boyd" [haldenboyd at hotmail.com] Re Doppler effect and strong winds conning the radar??
019 Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au] That Cartoon
020 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au] Hail, Gales, and a CG from Brisbane S'ly Storms
021 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Dry Winds and Allergy...
022 Paul Mossman [paulmoss at tpgi.com.au] decent Rain in NT
023 "Marty" [martyp at dynamite.com.au] That Cartoon
024 Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au] Action in WA
025 "Max King" [mnk at dingoblue.net.au] email address change
026 "Michael Powell" [mjpowell at mailcity.com] RE: Hail, Gales, and a CG from Brisbane S'ly Storms
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001
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 13:58:01 +0000
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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Jane ONeill wrote:
> It's been a fairly busy month on the Melbourne Storm Chasers site even
> though we haven't had too much to get excited about.
Daylight saving started here 14 hours ago (now all times GMT) and "chase month"
starts in 10 hours time...
Looking 4ward to it now... things seem to be hotting up
Les
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 07:41:19 +1100
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Bundaberg rain
From: "Mark Hardy" [mhardy at magna.com.au]
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Ben
Meteorologist Dave Williams calculated the storm as greater than a 1 in a
100 year event (based on the Bundaberg AWS reading. Perhaps putting is as a
1 in 150 years!!
We also had reports of totals up to 13 inches or 330mm north and west of
Bundaberg. Lightning damage was substantial with Austar and Telstra hardware
damaged by lightning on the towers just out of town.,
Mark
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>From: Ben Quinn
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Bundaberg rain
>Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 7:44 AM
>
> Hey Ben from Brisbane here..
>
> There was an article in Thursdays Courier Mail about some flash flooding
> in Bundaberg.. i'll quote a few lines..
>
>
>
> She didn't know it at the time, but Bundaberg resident Jacynth Chapman
> was wasting her efforts when she tried mopping up some spots of water
> from her carpet. A couple of hours later the carpet was in the backyard
> pool, ripped from the floor by a wall of water that swept through her
> home, sdestroying many of her belonging.
>
>
>
> Weather forecasters have described the flash flood as a "one in 50 year"
> experience for the city, which normally has only 69mm of rain in
> October.
>
> About 2 metres of water had flooded into the downstairs area because a
> drain n the street was unable to cope with the downpoar, she said.
>
> "The lawnmower was floating around somewhere down the back and i could
> smell petrol fumes" she said.
>
> "I phoned police and their suggestion was don't smoke"
>
>
> The article goes on to say that several other residents were effected by
> flooding around Bundaberg.. A BOM forecaster was quoted as saying 30mm
> fell in a ten minute period.. that's a 180mm/h rain rate!!
>
>
>
> Mark Hardy wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> Noticed this morning that Bundaberg received 166mm in 24 hours. The AWS
>> recorded an incredible 120mm in one hour. This would certainly cause
>> substantial flooding. Has anybody heard any damage reports?
>> Mark
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003
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 10:29:23 +1100
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Chas & Helen Osborn wrote:
>
> Its about time. [snip]
>
> Paul Mossman wrote:
>
> > Just a reminder wx people - daylight savings starts in NSW - bringing
> > the Country into 5 or so time zones - great invention hey.
But it teaches those who write any time-dependant software a long,
hard lesson. Australia's joy at treating time zones as a political
football leaves a myriad of O/S and application software vendors
who run their systems on local time in a quandary. Back in 1992,
when I was a productive project manager (g), I put to my team of
developers the following question: "If we had a Telecard Call that
started at 01:59 and ended 3 minutes later after the daylight
savings cutover, would the call be terminated because it exceeded
the calling-card-holding-time limit of 2 minutes and what would
the customer be charged?". If you were using local time and you
expected the call to last for 2 minutes, then the calculated call
duration would in be 03:01:00 - 01:59:00 = 01:02:00! But the
holding time is only 2 minutes, therefore, the call would should
terminated at 03:00:01 because it has been going since 01:59:00.
In reality, this duration is just 00:01:01 because daylight
saving +1hr happens at 02:00:00 when the next second tick adds
an hour to become 03:00:01. By the time my developers had worked
their way through all this and all the exception handling
required, they decided to run all software on GMT. See, it wasn't
my idea, was it? I just put this little scenario to them. So in
a nutshell, it seems crazy to run everything on GMT but your mad
if you don't! So just leave local time up to the applications that
really need it, like Email agents and browsers and you'll be OK.
It's much more flexible to add or subtract whatever to GMT only
when you need to for primarily display purposes. Finally, the
mess that Australia seems to get itself into over time zones is
legendary within international forums and time-standards-setting
meetings. I can't wait for the Olympic year when it all changes
to something completely unique and different, just this once...
yet again:-)
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 10:16:18 -0800
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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242 mm for October at my place in Blackheath.
Checked out the waterfall today, (govetts leap) , its flowing
beautifully. The old dam on Braeside walk is really flowing well too.
Lindsay Pearce.
PS: looks like i am back on line properly now after the line problems
etc.
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 09:04:31 -0800
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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Thanks Blair,
Love all these tid bits, off to my file system they go.
Lindsay Pearce
Blair Trewin wrote:
>
> The likely passing of October without a 30-degree day (highest so far
> 27.5) in Melbourne got me looking at years with few hot days in
> spring.
>
> This is nowhere near record-setting - in fact, only 43% of years in
> Melbourne have a 30+ day in October. The last five years, however,
> have all featured such a day. If it doesn't get any warmer on
> Saturday, 27.5 will rank 105th of 145 years for 'highest maximum'.
>
> Out of interest:
>
> Latest first day over 25:
>
> 6 November 1905
> 5 November 1890
> 4 November 1958
> 2 November 1860
> 1 November 1976
>
> Latest first day over 30:
>
> 19 December 1856
> 14 December 1879
> 10 December 1992
> 7 December 1860
> 7 December 1916
>
> Blair Trewin
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 09:11:55 -0800
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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I remember someone saying on the list once that Katoomba obs aren't
rated highly, I've got the email somewhere from ages ago about this. Its
not just Channel Ten, I've heard 2BL give Katoomba Temps that were very
different to my readings at Blackheath. When Laurier has posted his
temps for Blackheath, mine are usually within half a degree or so of
his, so I am reasonably accurate. Although, I am in a different spot to
Laurier, being near the highest point in town and away from the Grose
Valley.
Lindsay Pearce
Mark Hardy wrote:
>
> Hey, hang on Don, he still gets all his data from the Bureau of Met.
> Mark
>
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> >From: Don White
> >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blackheath - Sydney Temp differences on Tues. night.
> >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 4:46 PM
> >
>
> > Lindsay
> > Weather with Tim Bailey??? Surely you don't expect accuracy?
> >
> >
> > Lindsay wrote:
> >>
> >> Did anyone else notice the temperature differences for Blackheath and
> >> Sydney on the Channel Ten weather report on Tuesday night?
> >>
> >> I think it was 8 degrees (at katoomba actually, not blackheath) and 23
> >> out west and 21 on the Sydney coast. Now that is a contrast! I think
> >> they were current temps for around 5:30pm that day.
> >>
> >> For those in the know more than me, (which is most of you), do you have
> >> any comments on such a contrast? I guess it had to do with the change
> >> coming through Blackheath, not yet hitting Sydney, on top of the normal
> >> 5-10 degree contrast?
> >>
> >> Taa
> >>
> >> Lindsay P.
> >>
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 09:00:42 -0800
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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Thanks Michael,
No, not too technical, just right actually. I'll pour over your
observations a bit more - good stuff.
Lindsay Pearce
Michael Scollay wrote:
>
> Lindsay wrote:
> >
> > Did anyone else notice the temperature differences for Blackheath and
> > Sydney on the Channel Ten weather report on Tuesday night?
> >
> > I think it was 8 degrees (at katoomba actually, not blackheath) and 23
> > out west and 21 on the Sydney coast. Now that is a contrast! I think
> > they were current temps for around 5:30pm that day.
> >
> > For those in the know more than me, (which is most of you), do you have
> > any comments on such a contrast? I guess it had to do with the change
> > coming through Blackheath, not yet hitting Sydney, on top of the normal
> > 5-10 degree contrast?
>
> As I used to live in Katoomba, the lapse rate often intrigued me. All
> has to do with the amount of moisture in the air and how much of that
> moisture is precipitated on the windward side to the west of the Blue
> Mountains before the air decends on the leeward side to the East.
> Without getting too technical, an air mass rising to the west might
> have 95% RH at Oberon with temp around 2C, possibly wet snow or
> heavy drizzle falling. Further west, it was, say 80% RH and 5C at
> Bathurst, so this air is cooling close to the moist air lapse rate
> (-6C/1000m). Now the air is dryer as it approaches Katoomba, perhaps
> 65% RH and 5C. Remember that Bathurst is 744.5M, Oberon is 1190m,
> Mt. Boyce is 1080m and Katoomba is 1030m. The air is warming at
> closer to the dry-air lapse rate. There's also some gaps in the
> cloud adding some radiative heating. So by the time it reaches
> Penrith, it's 40% RH and 17C. Under these circumstances, I've seen
> temp differences between Katoomba and Sydney of 14C! with 2C at
> Katoomba and 16C in Sydney. Turn the prevailing wind around from
> the east and you get a different lapse rate because now the air is
> 80% RH and 16C at Penrith, 95% RH and 13C at Springwood, 100% RH
> and 11C at Wentworth Falls (classic mountain mists) and maybe 100%
> RH and 10C at Katoomba with perhaps 9C at Mt. Boyce. I hope that
> explains this phenomena without getting too technical...
>
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From: Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au]
Subject: aus-wx: Movie file of that lightning strike!!
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Heya's
Daniel Weatherhead has been kind enough to make a .mov file of the
lightning strike hitting a powerstation/transformer or something from our
chase on October 18. The .mov file doesnt show the horizon, but you can
just make out the tops of the tree's. (The actual video taken showed the
ground in the frame), Anyway its certainly better than nothing and shows
the glow changing colours after the strike, and gives all of those who may
not see the video for some time, a glimpse at it.
http://www.braenet.com.au/~disarm , the link is there, and please read the
paragraph i wrote explaining it as well
Enjoy
Matt Smith
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 12:51:28 +1100
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Lindsay wrote:
>
> Hey,
>
> I was wondering if anybody knows of a connection with altitude and
> allergy. Both my partner and I get pretty strong allergy up here in
> Blackheath and I haven't really had a problem with such things until I
> moved here. Symptoms are basically headache/sinus pain type stuff and
> other townsfolk have told me they get it too, and its seemingly more
> prevelant here than in other towns. Anyway, maybe it could be the amount
> of pines we have up here but has the thinner air and dry winds got
> anything to do with it?
I know what you are experiencing but I cannot vouch for your allegen.
I found mine (in Katoomba) was the humble rye grass husk dust and
pollen (to a lesser degree) that would be worse when strong NW winds
occured during spring and summer. How I used to almost pray for those
SE mists to roll in from off the Tasman Sea instead of the Western
slopes and plains...Over the years, I've become less allergic to
these particular allergens, but I would like to point out from my
exerience with this;
1) You need to identify the particular allergen if you can. It helps
to avoid it in the future or manage exposer to lesser limits.
2) You may "grow out of it". Then again, an allegic reaction can also
lead to crippling asthma. I hope the former in your case.
3) Altitude itself plays no part on its own though it will bring
exposure to different allergens and maybe stronger winds associated
with lofty areas that stir up more allergens.
4) Australia's population are the world's leading allergy and asthma
sufferers. We also are the world's leading detectors of such ailments.
5) Don't underestimate what an allegen may be. The late Bruce Knox led
a team at the School of Botany, University of Melbourne, discovered
in 1989 that grass pollen grains, not normally associated with severe
allergic reactions, when caught in a thunderstorm, became saturated
with water and eventually broke up. This action released tiny starch
granules bearing allergic proteins very similiar to proteins on known
pollen allergens with one critical difference...these granules were
small enough to get drawn deep into the lungs, thereby causing an
acute allegic-provoked asthma attack. Knox's work in Australia
correctly identified the cause of asthma outbreaks following
spring and summer thunderstorms in both the UK and Australia.
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: A wet October?
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:58:18 -0000
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Rainfall for Mt. Crosby in October was 62mm, which is a little below the
Brisbane average for October, making it only the 2nd below average month
for this year so far. However, the presence of copious storm activity
(which Mt. Crosby largely missed) will mean that many other Brisbane
locales would have received above average rain. (Anthony/James/Ben?)
November is off to a good start with 25mm bucketing down shortly after
midnight last night.
An off topic:
Curiously, some 4 hrs before this rain event, I caught one of my cats
chasing a poor little Ornate Burrowing Frog (Limnodynastes ornatus)
(unharmed). I got to thinking, hey it must be going to rain, and rain it
certainly did. Limnodynastes typically buries itself about 12" underground
and stores water in it's abdomen, thus is able to survive several months of
total drought. Now, if it didn't excavate itself before heavy rain, it
stands a very good chance of suffocation (drowning). Therefore the mere
existence of Limnodynastes is proof that it knows beforehand when it is
going rain.
John.
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From: Lindsay [SMTP:writer at lisp.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, 2 November 1999 4:16
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Subject: aus-wx: A wet October
242 mm for October at my place in Blackheath.
Checked out the waterfall today, (govetts leap) , its flowing
beautifully. The old dam on Braeside walk is really flowing well too.
Lindsay Pearce.
PS: looks like i am back on line properly now after the line problems
etc.
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: aus-wx: Continuing lack of cold days in Melbourne
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:36:47 +1100 (EST)
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October continued Melbourne's remarkable run of absence of low
maximum temperatures. The lowest maximum temperature for the month
was 16.1, which is the second highest 'lowest maximum' on record
(behind 16.4 in 1988).
This follows from values of 13.1 in July (highest on record), 12.6
in August (equal fourth, behind 13.1 in 1907 and 1982), and 14.0 in
September (equal fifth, with 14.6 in 1915).
I'll post further on the wash-up from October when I see all the
figures.
Blair Trewin
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 12:56:20 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi John and fellow-Brisbanites
Fairly wet here, 174.6mm for the month of October, the Brisbane AP
average is 93mm. Certainly a big increase from last year's poultry
October amount of 58.8mm (of which 40mm fell in 15mins).
Rainfall for the year of 1999 so far is: 1366.7mm, the yearly average
for Brisbane is 1188mm. All months have had above average rainfall,
except for March, April and May.
John Woodbridge wrote:
>
> Rainfall for Mt. Crosby in October was 62mm, which is a little below the
> Brisbane average for October, making it only the 2nd below average month
> for this year so far. However, the presence of copious storm activity
> (which Mt. Crosby largely missed) will mean that many other Brisbane
> locales would have received above average rain. (Anthony/James/Ben?)
> John.
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 15:07:41 +1100
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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I think we should all stop for a moment to pay our respects to
the thousands of people who remain to know just who in their
families have not survived cyclone "05B". 05B struck the Indian
coastline mainly last Friday October 29, 1999 devestating many
coastal districts within the Indian state of Orissa. Precise
details are vague in the least but quoted from the Sydney
Morning Herald today...
1) 1.5M people homeless.
2) 200,000-300,000 homes destroyed.
3) Potentially thousands of people dead.
4) 4,000 fishermen unaccounted for.
5) 100,000 people evacuated
6) Coastline battered for 4 days.
7) Communications and roads cut over a wide area.
8) 6m waves recorded along coastline.
9) Seawater flooding areas 15km inland.
10) Winds gusting to 260kph (where?).
11) Worst Indian cyclone since 1971 when some 10,000 were killed.
Words simply cannot describe adequately what it really means to
be amongst this sort of natural disaster. One can just imagine
and hope that these sorts of storms are few and far between.
However, I think that the Indian Ocean and surrounding seas
have spawned more than their fare share of Cat4/5 cyclones in
the last 18 months...with more to come...the consequence of
above average SST's and potentially global warming...
I'll put together a cropped animation of this storm from gmsc
or gmsfull NPMOC GMS5 archived satpics and post it when I have
finally completed and successfully uploaded outstanding ASWA
archive requests.
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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I agree Michael.
It was a extremely strong storm that latest for 3 days or so OVER land. ...now
thats not bad! As of last night it was still gusting 60 Knots!!
Paul.
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 14:43:11 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi all!
An interesting, yet rather unusual and short "chase" around my area
today. I was hoping for some cells to occur right on the front, but it
wasn't looking too promising, with a lot of 'muck' cloud around this
morning. However, I was watching a large Cu/congestus that was dumping
very heavy rain near James Chambers' house. About 10 minutes later, I
looked outside again to notice that it had now developed into a Cb, it
wasn't very strong, certainly not much height, but some fairly crisp
updrafts. This prompted me to go down to my "spotting" place. I was
dismayed as I was putting on my shoes, that the S'ly suddenly picked up,
very soon it was reaching well in excess of gale force. Lots of small
branches down here, and leaves everywhere. I quickly sped out of the
garage, afraid that it'd collapse before I could even get a good view of
it. My AC had broken, so I had wound all the windows down (it was still
fairly warm), only to try and wind them all up in a hurry, as further
gales buffeted the car in the local streets, and leaves/twigs were
blowing everywhere - even into the car!
I was happy to see more development to my north, but was unable to
follow this up any further. I continued down Belmont and Meadlowlands
Rd, to a small park at the back of Carina. The winds were still very
strong, still buffeting the car. The development then began to take on
an explosive look, with an updraft to my ENE taking on for a very short
period of time, a nuclear bomb look (of course, as soon as I got to my
advantage point, this was nowhere as good - I was unable to stop along
Meadowlands Rd, as there's no shoulder). At the carpark/park it was
still blowing about a 20kn S'ly, it began to get very cold, I was
shivering (only had t-shirt/shorts) probably was about 23C or so by
now! To my amazement, I saw a CG to my S - this prompted me to turn on
the radio. When I entered the carpark, there was no one there, so I
pointed the car south (so I could sit down and watch the development if
I got too lazy), however when I got back in the car to put the radio on
and adjust the AM radio, I still had my leg out of the car - a bit of a
mistake! Another very strong gust came through, probably in excess of
45-50kn, it slammed the car door on my leg, and then I heard a large
crack, I wasn't sure what it was, but I suspect it was a tree going down
(a rather bushy/tree area on the northern side of the carpark).
None-the-less, I stayed at the carpark, watching a large "roll" (not
really a foot, but when the rain is just being blown well ahead of the
cell in one big mass). I also noticed some light, white streaks to my W
- I still stayed at the carpark, as I was fairly safe, the only trees
were to my N, and the wind was a strong S'ly. Very soon, it began to
drizzle, I estimated the storm to be at least 7-10km though. It
gradually got heavier, until I got back in the car and waited for a
while...until the drops got very large. I thought it'd be high time to
get out of there...it's about a 300m drive-way into the carpark...I was
going out at about 15km/h, when suddenly it POURED, it was also
accompanied by yet another burst of gales and hail!!! Only pea size,
but it made a loud 'pint' on the car roof. Even though I was driving
slowly (15km/h), I was driving towards the S, I had to have the
windscrean wipers on full to see the road (or driveway), this only
lasted for about one minute though! By the time I got back on the road,
it was well and truly over, with only moderate rain. I wound the window
down...brrrr!!! It was ICY, now about 19/20C.
At the moment, there's a conglomeration of cells over western Brisbane,
similar to one ones I saw, I wouldn't be surprised to hear of more hail
and gales.
Any other interesting reports Brisbanites?
Certainly not what one would expect in Brisbane on the 1st of November,
but it was better than fine weather!
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Anthony Cornelius
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(ASWA)
(07) 3390 4812
14 Kinsella St
Belmont, Brisbane
QLD, 4153
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From: "Greg Curtis" [curtisg at ecn.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Mackay Radar
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:07:04 +1000
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Hi all,
Has anyone seen the Mackay local scale radar at
1440 UTC, 1/11/99 Have a look at the cell near Carmilla.
I don't know if there is a problem with the radar
or if it is real.
Regards
Greg Curtis
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 15:25:31 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi Greg,
Mackay over-estimates...as with quite a few of the regional radars
around QLD and the country. None the less, it's a large storm - but
nowhere as strong as it is showing. I don't know exactly how strong
though, all the sat pics are down, so there's no way of even trying to
get an appoximate strength through sat pics :-(
> Greg Curtis wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Has anyone seen the Mackay local scale radar at 1440 UTC, 1/11/99 Have
> a look at the cell near Carmilla.
>
> I don't know if there is a problem with the radar or if it is real.
>
> Regards
>
> Greg Curtis
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I was in Lismore today and it rained quite a bit. The wind was howling from
the south and the rain was coming down at about a 45 degree angle to the
ground. However, there was not much of a show on the Grafton local
radar....could this be because the rain was moving away from it that the
Doppler effect could have "fooled" the radar???
I would be interested in your comments.
PS It is blowing a gale here at Evans Head as I speak from the SSE....the US
Navy Mil weather IR Radar shows a deep welling from Antarctica over NZ and
through the Tasman Sea....the WSW upper airflow is spinning a low off the
coast here on the ground....very interesting
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I love it!!!. Those guys that were with me or have chased with me will know
what I said. I suppose I destroyed a fair bit of footage because of my hail
disease. Is this a hint??
Jimmy Deguara
At 22:04 31/10/99 +1100, you wrote:
>Finally, after a million hours trying to get it right - *that* cartoon is up
>for you......but it's still unfinished - and we need your help. What were
>Jimmy & Clyve saying? and btw, that's a hailstone at Jimmy's feet.
>
>http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/chase_cartoon.htm
>
>Have a look & send your suggestions to me or to the list. The winning
>dialogues (?) will be announced on the chase next month (or this month
>depending on what day you are reading this email) & also emailed to the
>list. There will be a prize.....................
>
>Jane
>(on behalf of those captured forever in black & white)
>-------------------------------------------------------
>Jane ONeill
>ASWA - Victoria
>Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA Inc.)
>Melbourne Storm Chasers
>Email: cadence at rubix.net.au
>-------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 08:40:50 +1100
From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]
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Hey Anthony, everyone..
I had a short but nice chase today as well.. the day started off well with
rain clearing very early in the morning to clear skies to our SW.. by 9am
there was quite a bit of vertical develpment around.. but by late morning the
sky was filled with 'junky' cloud.. quite an ugly sight, and it certainly
didn't look like a storm day at all.. but i had nothing else to do, so i went
for a drive around the ranges WSW of me.. i caught up with a nice cell after
2-2:30pm moving northwards just west of Brisbane.. to make a long story short
i chased it from development to death.. it had a very nice hail shaft at one
stage and was quite photogenic with a nice (but very very small) shelf cloud
and a pearl white rainfoot (a hail foot? ) which is something i havn't seen
very often.. I got 3 or 4 good quality pictures.. which is more that what i
thought i would get looking at the sky at lunch time..
46 knots or 85km/h (approx) of SSE'rs at Cape Moreton east of Brisbane at the
moment.. AVN is forecasting a weak surface low to effect extreme coastal parts
of SE QLD tomorrow night.. AVN's forecast track of the surface low isn't
exactly what i would call realistic.. but it will be interesting to see what
happens..
Anthony Cornelius wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> An interesting, yet rather unusual and short "chase" around my area
> today. I was hoping for some cells to occur right on the front, but it
> wasn't looking too promising, with a lot of 'muck' cloud around this
> morning. However, I was watching a large Cu/congestus that was dumping
> very heavy rain near James Chambers' house. About 10 minutes later, I
> looked outside again to notice that it had now developed into a Cb, it
> wasn't very strong, certainly not much height, but some fairly crisp
> updrafts. This prompted me to go down to my "spotting" place. I was
> dismayed as I was putting on my shoes, that the S'ly suddenly picked up,
> very soon it was reaching well in excess of gale force. Lots of small
> branches down here, and leaves everywhere. I quickly sped out of the
> garage, afraid that it'd collapse before I could even get a good view of
> it. My AC had broken, so I had wound all the windows down (it was still
> fairly warm), only to try and wind them all up in a hurry, as further
> gales buffeted the car in the local streets, and leaves/twigs were
> blowing everywhere - even into the car!
>
> I was happy to see more development to my north, but was unable to
> follow this up any further. I continued down Belmont and Meadlowlands
> Rd, to a small park at the back of Carina. The winds were still very
> strong, still buffeting the car. The development then began to take on
> an explosive look, with an updraft to my ENE taking on for a very short
> period of time, a nuclear bomb look (of course, as soon as I got to my
> advantage point, this was nowhere as good - I was unable to stop along
> Meadowlands Rd, as there's no shoulder). At the carpark/park it was
> still blowing about a 20kn S'ly, it began to get very cold, I was
> shivering (only had t-shirt/shorts) probably was about 23C or so by
> now! To my amazement, I saw a CG to my S - this prompted me to turn on
> the radio. When I entered the carpark, there was no one there, so I
> pointed the car south (so I could sit down and watch the development if
> I got too lazy), however when I got back in the car to put the radio on
> and adjust the AM radio, I still had my leg out of the car - a bit of a
> mistake! Another very strong gust came through, probably in excess of
> 45-50kn, it slammed the car door on my leg, and then I heard a large
> crack, I wasn't sure what it was, but I suspect it was a tree going down
> (a rather bushy/tree area on the northern side of the carpark).
>
> None-the-less, I stayed at the carpark, watching a large "roll" (not
> really a foot, but when the rain is just being blown well ahead of the
> cell in one big mass). I also noticed some light, white streaks to my W
> - I still stayed at the carpark, as I was fairly safe, the only trees
> were to my N, and the wind was a strong S'ly. Very soon, it began to
> drizzle, I estimated the storm to be at least 7-10km though. It
> gradually got heavier, until I got back in the car and waited for a
> while...until the drops got very large. I thought it'd be high time to
> get out of there...it's about a 300m drive-way into the carpark...I was
> going out at about 15km/h, when suddenly it POURED, it was also
> accompanied by yet another burst of gales and hail!!! Only pea size,
> but it made a loud 'pint' on the car roof. Even though I was driving
> slowly (15km/h), I was driving towards the S, I had to have the
> windscrean wipers on full to see the road (or driveway), this only
> lasted for about one minute though! By the time I got back on the road,
> it was well and truly over, with only moderate rain. I wound the window
> down...brrrr!!! It was ICY, now about 19/20C.
>
> At the moment, there's a conglomeration of cells over western Brisbane,
> similar to one ones I saw, I wouldn't be surprised to hear of more hail
> and gales.
>
> Any other interesting reports Brisbanites?
>
> Certainly not what one would expect in Brisbane on the 1st of November,
> but it was better than fine weather!
>
> --
> Anthony Cornelius
> Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
> (ASWA)
> (07) 3390 4812
> 14 Kinsella St
> Belmont, Brisbane
> QLD, 4153
> Please report severe thunderstorms on our Queensland severe thunderstorm
> reporting line on (07) 3390 4218 or by going to our homepage at
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dry Winds and Allergy...
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:46:41 +1100
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I get Asthma, yet when I went to the US for 2 months back in 1985 I never
suffered once with it.
I have heard a theory that Australian babies are simply not exposed to
enough ' normal ' germs and viruses. A too clean early childhood. The result
is the immune system says OK what do I do now, then starts fighting things
that are not really a threat such as pollens and dust mites.
Then there are Asthma sufferers that say thunderstorms send them into an
attack, now that is what I can unfortunate in the extreme.
Michael
> 4) Australia's population are the world's leading allergy and asthma
> sufferers. We also are the world's leading detectors of such ailments.
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 22:12:38 +1100
From: Paul Mossman [paulmoss at tpgi.com.au]
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Howdy all.Some good isolated falls across the Top End last night. Best
was Darwin Hospital - received 66mm while only 5km away Darwin Airport
received only trace!
Things are starting to hot up with the forecast now going for morning &
afternoon storms......cant wait! woohoo!
paul.
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From: "Marty" [martyp at dynamite.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: That Cartoon
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:15:02 +1000
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How about:
Jimmy: Is that whirring noise I can hear?
Clive: I'm sure it's just Hortence the Cow deep-breathing in your ear.
Marty.
Brisbane, Australia
martyp at dynamite.com.au
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Lightning Photos: http://www2.dynamite.com.au/martyp/lightning
3D Photography: http://www.bit.net.au/~erinm/3d
ICQ: 11790565
-----Original Message-----
From: Jane ONeill [cadence at rubix.net.au]
To: Aussie Weather [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Date: Sunday, 31 October 1999 21:22
Subject: aus-wx: That Cartoon
>Finally, after a million hours trying to get it right - *that* cartoon is up
>for you......but it's still unfinished - and we need your help. What were
>Jimmy & Clyve saying? and btw, that's a hailstone at Jimmy's feet.
>
>http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/chase_cartoon.htm
>
>Have a look & send your suggestions to me or to the list. The winning
>dialogues (?) will be announced on the chase next month (or this month
>depending on what day you are reading this email) & also emailed to the
>list. There will be a prize.....................
>
>Jane
>(on behalf of those captured forever in black & white)
>-------------------------------------------------------
>Jane ONeill
>ASWA - Victoria
>Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA Inc.)
>Melbourne Storm Chasers
>Email: cadence at rubix.net.au
>-------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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It looks like the whole country is on fire with cloud. BUt I like the
activity in WA at the moment and it is forecast to become even better over
the next day or so. I hope some of the guys are able to chase the area
within the road limits of Perth!!! Chasing along the dry line or dry air
moist air boundary would be the best thing.
Jimmy Deguara
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Hi Peoples,
Max from Sydney here.
Just to advise of my new email
address,
it is now mnk at dingoblue.net.au
cya later :)
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To Anthony and List:
Gusty SE Change through the Western suburbs at about 1:20, with light rain starting at 2:30 with a period of heavy for about 10 minutes after that. The wind was savage at times just before the downpour. I did hear a report on 4BC that there was hail reported at Kenmore, however most places it would of been none or too small to recognise.
Michael
Hi all!
An interesting, yet rather unusual and short "chase" around my area today. I was hoping for some cells to occur right on the front, but it
wasn't looking too promising, with a lot of 'muck' cloud around this
morning. However, I was watching a large Cu/congestus that was dumping
very heavy rain near James Chambers' house. About 10 minutes later, I
looked outside again to notice that it had now developed into a Cb, it
wasn't very strong, certainly not much height, but some fairly crisp
updrafts. This prompted me to go down to my "spotting" place. I was
dismayed as I was putting on my shoes, that the S'ly suddenly picked up,
very soon it was reaching well in excess of gale force. Lots of small
branches down here, and leaves everywhere. I quickly sped out of the
garage, afraid that it'd collapse before I could even get a good view of
it. My AC had broken, so I had wound all the windows down (it was still
fairly warm), only to try and wind them all up in a hurry, as further
gales buffeted the car in the local streets, and leaves/twigs were
blowing everywhere - even into the car!
I was happy to see more development to my north, but was unable to
follow this up any further. I continued down Belmont and Meadlowlands
Rd, to a small park at the back of Carina. The winds were still very
strong, still buffeting the car. The development then began to take on
an explosive look, with an updraft to my ENE taking on for a very short
period of time, a nuclear bomb look (of course, as soon as I got to my
advantage point, this was nowhere as good - I was unable to stop along
Meadowlands Rd, as there's no shoulder). At the carpark/park it was
still blowing about a 20kn S'ly, it began to get very cold, I was
shivering (only had t-shirt/shorts) probably was about 23C or so by
now! To my amazement, I saw a CG to my S - this prompted me to turn on
the radio. When I entered the carpark, there was no one there, so I
pointed the car south (so I could sit down and watch the development if
I got too lazy), however when I got back in the car to put the radio on
and adjust the AM radio, I still had my leg out of the car - a bit of a
mistake! Another very strong gust came through, probably in excess of
45-50kn, it slammed the car door on my leg, and then I heard a large
crack, I wasn't sure what it was, but I suspect it was a tree going down
(a rather bushy/tree area on the northern side of the carpark).
None-the-less, I stayed at the carpark, watching a large "roll" (not
really a foot, but when the rain is just being blown well ahead of the
cell in one big mass). I also noticed some light, white streaks to my W
- I still stayed at the carpark, as I was fairly safe, the only trees
were to my N, and the wind was a strong S'ly. Very soon, it began to
drizzle, I estimated the storm to be at least 7-10km though. It
gradually got heavier, until I got back in the car and waited for a
while...until the drops got very large. I thought it'd be high time to
get out of there...it's about a 300m drive-way into the carpark...I was
going out at about 15km/h, when suddenly it POURED, it was also
accompanied by yet another burst of gales and hail!!! Only pea size,
but it made a loud 'pint' on the car roof. Even though I was driving
slowly (15km/h), I was driving towards the S, I had to have the
windscrean wipers on full to see the road (or driveway), this only
lasted for about one minute though! By the time I got back on the road,
it was well and truly over, with only moderate rain. I wound the window
down...brrrr!!! It was ICY, now about 19/20C.
At the moment, there's a conglomeration of cells over western Brisbane,
similar to one ones I saw, I wouldn't be surprised to hear of more hail
and gales.
Any other interesting reports Brisbanites?
Certainly not what one would expect in Brisbane on the 1st of November,
but it was better than fine weather!
--
Anthony Cornelius
Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
(ASWA)
(07) 3390 4812
14 Kinsella St
Belmont, Brisbane
QLD, 4153
Please report severe thunderstorms on our Queensland severe thunderstorm
reporting line on (07) 3390 4218 or by going to our homepage at
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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